Brooke & Adam
The Story Behind TUS Q&A pt. 2
(Please listen to Brooke & Adam’s story by clicking the white play button at the top of this post. You can read the transcript of the story below.)
Brooke: Okay, so we are back with a second Q& A with our C.E.O. – Chief Encouragement Officer, Meredith Patterson. Thank you so much for joining us today.
Meredith: Thank you for having me. So the first one, which we were just talking about this downstairs. How do you get your stories? How do you get connected to what seemed to be, for the listener I would think, kind of random people that maybe you don’t even know everyone that you’re interviewing? How can people who are listening, if they know someone, how could they get though you connected with those people? And then how are you getting connected?
Adam: It started off as mostly friends and people I know in ministry. From there, some other ways we get stories is we’ll get a story and then they’ll recommend somebody else. Like, “hey, you know what? You know who would be great for your podcast?” Recommending this person or that person and then yeah, a lot of it also I feel like is ease of connection. So it seems like the stories that we’re supposed to tell happen a lot more fluidly, a lot more naturally. Some stories tend to find us almost.
Meredith: I want to know, just as we are talking about these stories that are so incredible. Has there been one that you all have really wrestled with sharing or not sharing? Or even, what is being shared, wrestled with God? Like, Where are You in this story? Or, this is hard for me to even comprehend? Has there been one like that? And, can you share a little bit about that?
Adam: Yeah. I think the–we’ve now told four deliverance stories. So it’s demonic oppression; believers who are oppressed. And I don’t know that I… I’ll say it this way, I did not think when we started this we would be sharing deliverance stories. At least not so soon.
Meredith: And four of them on top of that. Not just one, four.
Adam: Yeah, so we’ve shared 60 stories to date and four of them are–there’s deliverance and inner healing components to some of the other stories, but those are pretty much–four of those, the focus is deliverance and inner healing. And that was challenging to kind of wrap my head around. I just feel like it’s really necessary. I think that’s it’s spiritual warfare and I have seen the impact. Meeting the people, seeing Alexis, for example. Here is someone who was raised in a Christian home, who was in and out of 20 different institutions: inpatient, outpatient, rehab facilities, hospitals, treatment programs, and on 10 different meds.
Adam: And the idea of demonic oppression was never part of the narrative for her.
Brooke: Never even considered.
Adam: She was being told that she was crazy by doctors, psychiatrists. So she accepted that identity and assumed that it was factual and a deliverance, a really radical faith stretching theologically–It’s in our, I think our Western mindset that really challenges our theology and yet it’s biblical. We Jesus with Legion. We see Jesus often casting out demons.
Brooke: and commanding His disciples to do the same.
Adam: And yet we’re so, I guess, Western in our mindset. A girl who was raised in a Christian home, it’s never part of the conversation until she gets completely healed and delivered. And we, you know, she came to our house, she’s had lunch with us. She’s an amazing young woman who is in ministry now. And so when you, when you see that in the flesh, you know, when you meet that person, you have relationship with her–What are you going to do with that? When you’re, when maybe what you were taught, your theology says, Oh, that doesn’t happen today. Maybe in third world countries. But here is somebody that is forever changed because of what Jesus did. I think we need to be sharing those stories. I’m so thankful that we, that that story came to us. And that was a story that did come to us. I interviewed her brother for another story that came to us through another relationship. And he was like, Hey, you know what, you should meet my sister.
Brooke: And we had seen her story on Facebook, like a year prior and we were like, “Whaaaat? This is crazy!”2
Adam: Yeah. So the question was what, do we struggle with it? Yes! It challenged my faith. And yet I can’t deny. I cannot deny it.
Brooke: I think it’s interesting because it can happen. Like you can receive one story and be like, Okay, that was that was like a one off. You know, that probably doesn’t happen all the time. Right? And then you know, it’s funny because Adam hosts a Bible study here on Wednesday nights in the studio, and I host a Bible study on Tuesday nights in the studio. In my Bible study with women, I have been like, Oh, yeah, oh, yeah, this stuff is still happening. And 90% of them are like, What? No way. And then we get into conversation about it. And so I think it’s crazy that it’s not–It’s kind of like what you said, it’s not one story. It’s four. It’s four of our stories. We didn’t mean for that to be the case, but I think what’s interesting is that all four of the stories are very different and unique and yet have similarities. It’s unique to them and what they’re struggling with and how God delivers them through that. Every story is so different, but yet the heart of it is the same. And the heart of it is the Father’s love, wanting to rescue them from the grips of the enemy.
Brooke: And that’s Jesus, isn’t it?
Adam: I think it’s tragic that we will prescribe 10 different medications, but we won’t consider praying for healing.
Brooke: Or we’ll say, oh, they’ve just gone too far or there that person’s never coming around or that person’s just that way and never consider that it is without their… it is not in their control. I mean, it is to a degree, but they also need people around them that are saying, Hey, I think what you might be experiencing is demonic. And try and set them free from the centerpoint of love, rather than just washing our hands of them.
Meredith: Yeah, I think it’s so interesting that in our society, we celebrate diversity. And yet, when it comes to the Christian world, a lot of times we just want to have a one stop shop for every single person, every single problem. That, well then you must be, you need to, if you have this issue, then you need to go get on meds. Or if you have this issue, then you can definitely pray about that one. Instead of asking the Lord, “If this is my issue, how do You want me to respond? What is going to be the way in which You heal me, set me free, rescue me?” For some it is going to be medication. For some it is going to be seeing a doctor. And for some it is going to be a deliverance. And there is no one stop shop, because God is infinite! And we are unique. And so He, in His infinite uniqueness towards us, meets us where we are. There are stories that I get told all the time that I am very skeptical, and like, I am not sure about that. But I would just encourage each of you [listeners] and I think that’s a lot of what these stories are for, right? Is just to encourage each of us to take a different look. Ask a question. And think again about what is possible and what God can do.
Brooke: Well and is it from the Lord? You know? Right? Like, Okay, well they’re saying this happened. Is that biblical? Okay, that’s the first place to start, right? Is it?
Meredith: That’s good Brooke.
Brooke: Did we see it happen in the bible? If we did, then let’s press in. And then let’s go to God and ask for wisdom and clarity and direction, right? But always the starting point is scripture.
Meredith: So I’m going to read this scripture in response to all of this. And we can keep this or not, but Ephesians 6:12, “For our struggle is not against flesh and blood, but against the rulers, and against the authorities, against the powers of this dark world and against the spiritual forces of evil in the heavenly realms. Therefore, put on the full armor of God so that when the day of evil comes, you may be able to stand your ground and after you have done everything to stand…” and it just goes on through the armor of God. And I just love this in verse 18. It says, “Pray in the Spirit on all occasions with all kinds of prayers and requests. With this in mind, be alert and always keep on praying for all the Lord’s people.”
Brooke: Come on.
Meredith: Come on. Like, that is scripture. That is the word of God. And for me, that is asking me to continue to hope. Not to stop hoping but to continue to hope and to continue to seek the Lord to provide.
Meredith: I love that.
Adam: I think, I think sometimes we overly intellectualize things, and we get afraid if we don’t understand it mentally, a lot of our faith–We also came from more traditional church background and it was very much about Bible and understanding your Bible. We make it about mental assent, about knowing all the right facts about Jesus. And when we’re confronted with somebody that has demonic oppression, that offends us, and that is somewhat frightening. Well, I know all the right facts about Jesus, how could I possibly be? How could they? How could demons be oppressing me? And we don’t like that. We don’t want to open ourselves to that possibility. And so we’re, we’re almost ignoring that can even be possible, to our own detriment. The enemy would love it for you to dismiss him and say, Oh, he doesn’t work that way.
Meredith: Yeah. Can you say that again?2
Adam: I mean, he, I mean, he will–he works in the darkness, right? He’s, he is the father of lies. He comes to steal, kill and destroy. So if you if you pretend like he doesn’t exist, if you pretend like there isn’t an enemy prowling around like a roaring lion, then that’s all the much better for him. And I feel like we’re in this place where we’ve determined mentally that the enemy can’t work that way or doesn’t anymore. And so we’re more than willing to prescribe Western medicine, but we’re unwilling to, with authority, say, “you have to bow the knee to Jesus,” in a way that…
Brooke: That comes with power and with knowledge. I mean, that’s scriptural.
Adam: It is scriptural.
Brooke: And there’s power that comes with that because it is not the person that’s praying for the person who needs to be delivered or whatever. It’s Jesus! It’s Jesus. It’s the power of Jesus and the Holy Spirit.
Adam: It’s Ephesians. I forget where, it’s location, but it says, “For God who is able to do exceedingly, abundantly beyond all we ask or think according the power that is working within you.” We have a power. It’s called the Holy Spirit. And it’s beyond what we ask or think. There are things that are in the unseen realms. There are things, there is spiritual warfare. We just read it in Ephesians 6. We have authority through the power of the Holy Spirit that lives inside of us. God can do things beyond what we can think. So if we…
Meredith: That’s crazy. I’m sorry, but that’s like, that’s crazy.
Brooke: But is that crazy, crazy? Or is that crazy, good?
Meredith: Crazy, good. Crazy, thankful. Crazy. Good gracious. Thank you, Jesus. That He’s bigger than me.
Adam: But we have to be willing to, our job is to have the faith for that right? To believe it. So someone is oppressed, they’re on 10 medications. They are, they’re desperate for help. We have to be willing As believers, as folks who have this power, we have to be willing to say, I‘m coming against that because I know that’s not Jesus. And we have to pray in authority. And there are people that are gifted, that know how to do that. They’re in inner healing, they’re in deliverance. I believe we all have that availability. Some folks are trained in that and are growing in that. I just hope, my hope is that through these stories, that it would give people vision for what’s possible. For all believers to have authority so that we can push back the darkness.
Meredith: Come on.
Brooke: Yeah, and to make it more normal than scary or weird.
Meredith: You know, we talk about the perfect love of God drives out all fear, but to push it out, you have to acknowledge that you have it. And so, that’s so much of what I have been learning through these last–I mean through my whole life. Being to just acknowledge, yeah, that scares me, Jesus come in and wreck that fear so that I don’t have to live in that anymore. And so much of that is not just talking to Jesus about it, but talking to other believers and saying, I am fearful about this… And then them coming alongside me and saying, well, the perfect love of God drives out that fear. Let me come and stand with you in that. And so that’s what I love about these stories is that they are just highlighting opportunities for people to say, that kind of scares me. I want to talk about that. I want to dig into that. I want to… we were kind of talking about this earlier, Brooke, of just like, what does it look like if this, if these stories are bringing up some fear, bringing up some anxiety for people, bringing up questions like what we’re talking about right now? Is there a space for people to connect with you all to talk more about some of these stories or have follow up questions about specific stories that they hear, that really hit home for them?
Brooke: Yeah, absolutely. I mean, what we would love to do–some things that we’re thinking about for 2020 is one, I’m thinking about writing a blog on our website to address some of these things. And then always, there’s comments and whatnot. And then we also are considering starting a Facebook community, where we can wrestle with these questions. Because we don’t want, Well, I don’t want people to think that we’re putting all of this out there and we’re not wrestling with it. Like, we are wrestling with the Lord on these things. And I would say that, you know, Adam, as the spiritual leader of our home has really just because he’s in number five on the enneagram.
Meredith: I love me some enneagram.
Brooke: He’s the investigator. So he really loves to research all of this and he dissects the Bible and he truly cannot get enough. So he teaches me a lot. And then as he’s teaching me and showing me these things, I then go into the secret place and wrestle with them, and talk to the Lord about them, and talk to my friends about them, and discuss it. And yeah, I want our listeners to be able to do that too, with us, in an environment where they feel like it’s safe.
Adam: I would love for, for people to reach out to us, message us, comment. And, and I think these are the kinds of conversations that we need to be having, not be afraid and allow fear to keep you in the dark. But say, Hey, I don’t get this, like let’s–our identity is not tied up in the right facts that we know about Jesus, or about the Bible. Our identity is in Christ. Christ in you, the hope of glory. Our identity is in what Christ says about us. So we should have the freedom to say, I don’t know if I believe this, I’m struggling with this. If we say I’m a child of God, I’m a son. That’s not based on anything other than what He did for me and my acceptance of the reality that I need Him desperately. Now, all these things that challenge my belief about the Bible and my, my intellectual understanding are open handed. I can say, Well, He’s still teaching me. I’m still growing up into Christ’s likeness. So I can still wrestle with these facts, and learn more with an open hand. And I would love for the stories to invite people into those kind of conversations. And, and collectively, we have the mind of Christ. So we should all, we should make spaces where we can get together to wrestle with this kind of stuff, and pray about it and ask Holy Spirit to enlighten us and then collectively, we can come to a revelation about what it looks like to be in Christ.
Our identity is in what Christ says about us. So we should have the freedom to say, I don’t know if I believe this, I’m struggling with this. If we say I’m a child of God, I’m a son. That’s not based on anything other than what He did for me…
Brooke: Like, how many stories have you come to me with, and said, “You’re not gonna believe this.” And you tell me the story and my response is, “Bull. No way. Shut up. Nope, didn’t happen.”? [And then you say,] “Okay, so they’re lying?” And then I have to wrestle with it. And once you get to know the person, then you’re like, well, I don’t, I guess, man, they don’t seem like they’d be lying. And it’s for Jesus. It’s not for them. It’s not like they go around telling people this stuff all the time. Oh, hey, guess what? Yeah, so we’re wrestling too.
Meredith: So just like one or two more here before we wrap up.
Who is someone that you would really like to interview that you haven’t yet? And has there been a story that’s done really well, that was maybe unexpected that it did well? And I’m a stats person. So I want to know, who’s the one that’s been listened to the most? Because I think that’s kind of fun. And what was that number? So I think that would be encouraging for listeners to hear like, what is that number? How many people are these stories really reaching? What’s, I mean, obviously the sky’s the limit, right? Praise the Lord for a podcast. But yeah, those questions.
Adam: What was it again?
Meredith: Sorry, first one. Let’s go back. Let’s go back. I asked too many questions in a row. I’m so sorry. I’m so sorry. Here we go. Here we go. Okay. Number one.
Adam: Who do I want to interview?
Adam: So I think I’ll answer that by saying William Paul Young. This is a moonshot. He shared a story on YouTube with a small church in Denver.
Brooke: Who is William Paul Young?
Adam: He wrote The Shack. And the way The Shack came together, the book is remarkable. He shared a little bit about that. And then he shared about his friend Brad and they had this really, I can’t, I won’t do this justice.
Brooke: No, and you want it to be told on the podcast, so come on William Paul Young!
Adam: Right, I want it to be told on the Podcast. It is. So we, I reached, I have a friend who knows. He knows. I know somebody who knows somebody who knows William Paul Young. So we wrote him an email and we asked him, [begging] Please!
Brooke: Mine would be Beth Moore. Because she has done so much for me, in my walk. And, man, she tells this one story, and I know that it’s been told a gazillion times because it’s like, all you have to do is search up “Beth Moore, the hair story” or something like that, and you’ll get it on Google. But she tells the story of being in an airport and God highlighting a man in a wheelchair who is all manner of just, gross, just to be honest. Like, to be very candid. And the Lord tells her to comb his hair. And, just the obedience in that and the fact that she was even listening. She’s so in tune with the Lord, that she’s listening to the Lord all the time, all the time. And she would have missed the opportunity to serve that man had she not been listening to the Lord. And I’m sure that the woman has like, gazillions of those stories. And I would just love to interview her.
Adam: Yeah, I wonder if, like on the blog, if we could, we could post like–I could post the YouTube story of William Paul Young, and you could post that story on the blog.
Brooke: Yeah. I don’t know is there infringement, like copyright things or whatever?
Meredith: I think if it’s on YouTube, you’re good to go. Right?
Brooke It’s free. If it’s on YouTube, it’s yours and it’s free.
Adam: The blog could be a connection point to some things lie that.
Brooke: For instance, Renee’s story that’s out right now. A lot of people have asked about the book that she mentions, and the conference that she went to. Again, it’s like, it’s not about those things, it’s about Jesus. But if people have questions, we do want to make those things available to them. So if it’s show notes or blog posts where you can get more information, we want to make that stuff available if people want to dive deeper.
Oh, and then the other question was the stats.
Meredith: Oh, yeah, the stats and then a surprising one maybe too.
Adam: Stats. We’re eleven, maybe 10 and a half months in, or something like this. We’ve had 22,000 downloads.
Meredith: Wow, Praise the Lord! That’s a lot! For 60 stories? Yeah, that’s a lot, a lot guys.
Adam: Thanks encouragement officer.
Meredith: Here I am to encourage you…
Adam: Yeah. You know, I would like that to be much larger, but I mean it’s–we had nothing and we’re just being faithful and I believe that it’s gonna… Oh, the number one story. Well, Raise My Son, which is Angelic’s story, was on Ann Voskamp’s blog. That was the story that got the most listens.
Meredith: It is a crazy story.
Brooke: Which is awesome. Yeah, it is a crazy story. And also really awesome right now with what’s going on too. Because you know Bethel, that sweet little girl passed away unexpectedly and they are praying for resurrection. And you know, I think, to a lot of people that sounds crazy. And, you know, to me, I’m like, Oh, Praise the Lord we have this story, because we can show people that it might sound crazy, but it’s also possible. And here’s a story that shows why they’re, they’re hopeful and believing and faithful for something like that.
Meredith: That’s crazy. Yeah, yeah that’s so good.
I just did a quick calculator on 22,000 downloads, over 60 stories. That means that on average, each story is getting downloaded 366 times.
Brooke: That’s pretty cool.
Adam: Yeah. Is that good?
Meredith: I think that’s great.
Adam: All right.
Meredith: I don’t know what the benchmarks are. Maybe we should do some Google research on that.
Brooke: But we’re moon shooting for like millions.
Meredith: Yeah, of course, because there’s billions of people on the earth. Because everyone should hear about the name of Jesus and His love for them.
Adam: And it’s growing. It’s growing every you know–I would say this, it’s growing every month. We seem to be picking up more people and so and we are…
Meredith: Are you kidding me?
Meredith: It’s growing every month?
Adam: Yeah, yeah.
Meredith: That’s huge! That’s so good.
Brooke: Y’all, this is why she’s our Chief Encouragement Officer.
Meredith: That’s so good guys.
Brooke: When you’re close to it, I think you don’t see it. And you’re always wanting more. And two, you know how powerful the stories are and you know how they’ve wrecked you. So you want them to explode more.
Meredith: Yeah, of course.
Adam: You know, a deer humping a dog gets 2 million views on Facebook. And like I said, with Caleb’s story, a tribe gets discovered and you know, and it’s getting two thousand views. Or a boy is dead for 21 minutes. He’s brain dead for three days, and he comes back to life and he’s fully functioning and he’s in school now. To me, I think 366 doesn’t sound like a great number, given the value of that story. I think that story is invaluable. I think. So…
Meredith: Yeah. Because God sees us as invaluable. So the stories that He is crafting in His people are invaluable.
Brooke: Right? Yes.
Meredith: Yeah, so as your Chief Encouragement Officer, I would love to encourage you with the truth that Jesus loves you. And He is so stinking proud of you for being obedient to share these stories and to faithfully lay down your lives for the Kingdom. And I would also just like to remind you that the devil is on the prowl for you to compare yourself to those crazy YouTube 2 million, 4 million, 8 million views over something that’s a moment, that’s not life giving. 366 downloads for something that’s going to change someone’s life, that’s going to be life giving; that’s worth it. That’s worth it for one download. For one life to be changed.
Brooke: Aww. Right there, boom. That’s why you are who you are.
Adam: Thank you. That’s awesome.To that point, you asked about a story that was surprising. Clint’s story was one that I was a little nervous about, back in the early days. There are some things in there that I thought maybe people might think, oh, that’s prosperity gospel.
Meredith: Which is Clint’s story? I forget.
Adam: Clint is the South African guy, and he loses his, wrecks his car. He loses out on two businesses that he was involved in, and…
Meredith: Yeah, and then he gets all the crazy things.
Adam: Yeah. And he’s like, God must hate me. You know, he’s like, What’s the deal? I’m being cursed or something. A friend of mine texted me and he listened to that story. And he said, when he heard–Clint sort of realizes, like, Clint has this aha moment that God doesn’t hate him and that He really does love him. And, and he, my friend, said he was on his knees bawling because all these really–like he’d lost his job, he’d gotten in a car wreck, and he was starting to think like he’d done something wrong and God was punishing him. And through that story, he realized, No, God loves me. And he was, literally said it was like, almost like a second conversion experience.
Meredith: Come on.
Adam: Yeah, I ended up having–That’s right, he texted me. And then I talked to him on the phone for about an hour and he was telling me like just how powerful it was to hear Clint’s testimony. And so I thought, wow, that’s…
Brooke: Well, and the cool bit is that it’s not like a friend that you talk to once a week or whatever. You hadn’t talked to him in years.
Meredith: Come on. Yeah. That’s the power of these stories. And that is why it’s important for them to be shared. That’s why it’s important for us to support you guys so that you can continue to do this. That’s our invitation for you today. What is your–you know, Brooke always ends it asking the Holy Spirit how would He have you respond? So I’m going to do the same… Is it to share your own story? Connect them with someone who needs to share their story? Or is there an opportunity for you to financially support them? And of course, your prayers is the utmost desire because prayer is powerful and we serve a powerful God who wants to do exceedingly abundantly beyond whatever we could ask or imagine. What Adams shared earlier. That is biblical, that is true. And so just an invitation to partner in this kingdom building work is, it’s an honor and a privilege.
Q&A number two.
Brooke: In the books.
Adam: That’s a wrap.
Meredith: Thanks, guys. It was fun.
Brooke: Thank you. You’re awesome.
Meredith: You’re awesome.