The Unseen Story

Jared

Pursuing the Presence of God

My name is Jared, and I am a business owner. I have been in ministry for many, many years. My wife and I do everything side by side. Currently, we own, we own some things in the business world, in fashion and and we just, we love we love God, we love the kingdom.

We try to operate in the Holy Spirit as much as we can. And that, really, everything we do is to really represent the kingdom of God, whether that’s in business or ministry or anywhere we go, that’s just our heart, and we feel like we have been entrusted to steward some different things, past, present, and hopefully future, that are just our spheres of influence, right?

I’m a kingdom business owner, who is doing his best to follow, to follow his, his lead every step of the way. Today, I’m sharing a story about my college years. A kind of crazy Holy Spirit explosion that I experienced at a Bible-centric University in the south. So that’s who I am, and that’s what I’m sharing today.

I’ll start at the beginning, and when I say the beginning, I mean the beginning of my spiritual journey. It also gives really good context as to the transformation that took place when I was in university, and then what took place after that. So when I was 17 years old, I got saved. And I got saved at a Disciple Now event, it was a three-day thing, you go on a Friday, come back on a Sunday.

I was at a Baptist church in Texas, and it had an incredible youth group. I was just reflecting with a friend about it the other day, just these people who gave so much of their lives for us, the youth students at the time. I mean it, it’s the reason that I know God today, and I’m so thankful.

I was saved in that setting, and I was in my last couple of years of high school, and I really just had such a hunger for God. And I just wanted, I genuinely met God. I was dealing with such difficulty in my home life. My parents were divorcing, I had a horrible relationship with my father, and I had a lot of pain, unforgiveness, and rage in my heart. I felt horrible. I had a lot of sexual confusion I was dealing with, and I just had so much shame.

I was in a terrible place, and I encountered the presence of God. I met him. At the Disciple Now event, I felt the Holy Spirit was moving on me. Moving me into salvation, let’s say, knocking on the door. And it was actually after I got home on that Sunday night, it was February 23, that I was in my room, and that’s when I really cried out to God. I was like, Jesus, I need you. That’s when I met him, right? And he became my everything. And so it was a powerful moment for me.

It was a transformation. Especially back then, I was much more reserved. I was much more introverted, extremely introverted. But anyone around me at that time was like, Oh, you’re different.

I grew up in a cultural church setting. So we went to church on all the appropriate dates to go to church, the Easters and the Christmas times. We identified as a Christian household, but similar to cultural Islam or cultural Judaism. In America, we have cultural Christianity, which is, in my opinion, a cultural thing, rather than a relationship thing.

On that day, on February 23, that’s the day that it shifted from a culture to a relationship, and it transformed me, began a transformative work in me. I was a junior, going into my senior year. I’m young, right? I mean, your teenage years are confusing in nature, without adding, let’s try to understand the Bible. Deep doctrinal concepts.

I had a great youth pastor who said, just pray every day. Read your word and ask for wisdom. Some might say that maybe that was religious, but for me, it bore tremendous fruit. So I did read my Bible every day, and I did pray every day. Before I read my Bible, I asked God to speak to me in it, and I asked for wisdom. And so that’s really the foundation right before going into college.

In the denomination I was saved around, no one there in that group would say they’re cessationists, but that later on in life, you would come to find out that that’s kind of the persuasion of that group. What I mean by that is they’re not someone who is going to say that they don’t believe the Holy Spirit is present, and they’re not going to say they don’t believe in miracles.

Well, some of them might, I don’t know, I’m going to speak from my experience and my culture around me. You have to understand, I was a young, 18 19-year-old, fervent Jared. I was zealous and wanted to talk about the Bible. I started to move from this relational thing to understanding. I don’t mean understanding in a good way. I mean intellectualism so that I can argue and win a point.

That’s not a very life-giving way to live. But you can, you’re really good at arguing, so that’s a plus, right? I was operating in what I would call a cessationist understanding, which was thinking that anything that is supernatural is probably not of the Lord. He works miracles, and he brings healing through doctors. If we’re going to see healing, we’re going to pray and hope that the doctor does his thing, right?

It’s funny, and I would even say it’s funny to say it now, but I was like, anything like tongues, or, if you’re doing anything that’s super spiritual, that’s obviously demonic. I did not really believe in demons, but, like, that’s demonic. That was the funny bit. Given where I am now.

When that is what’s at your core and is tied to your faith, it puts quite a box around Jesus, around God, around the Holy Spirit, it imprisons the kingdom to a very small box that you can understand in your heart and you’re doing everything you can to keep it in there, right, and also keep other people to have a small box as well. You want to. You want those boxes to be as small as possible. Again, no one says it this way, but this is the fruit. This is what happens.

I’m setting all this up. So then I go to a different church, and I start to feel like I’m hitting a ceiling. I want a deeper understanding. I want more. So someone invited me to another church, and this church, I didn’t know what Spirit-filled was at that time. I had never heard of that.

I go to this church, and this church was grounded in the Bible, but they were spirit-filled. I didn’t know that at the time, but when I went there for the very first time, I felt the presence of God. The same as the day when I got saved. I took notice, because I didn’t feel that at church, my other church, right? We’re worshiping, and it’s worshiping like the worship that I did on the day that I got saved.

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So there was a tangible presence of God operating there. I didn’t know; no one’s talking about that at that church, right? So I’m feeling that same thing that first drew me to him in the first place. I’m like, Whoa. I haven’t experienced this in years.

I go again week after week. I’m also very loyal, and at this point, very religious, too. So I’m not going to not go to my other church, right? I’m going to both each weekend. I did that for about a year,

Then it was just like, I’m like, you know, God’s presence is at one place and not at the other. I felt I didn’t need to keep going to the other one.

I started getting plugged in. And I started to experience different things, and it really, you know, I’m still reading, praying every day, faithfully. I’m in this place, and it’s very fertile. I can feel God’s presence every time I go. I was getting impacted. I was growing, and the ceiling might have felt like it wasn’t there. Now I’m just climbing every time, and there’s more and more I’m getting to know God more and more every time.

Then I get in a small group, and it’s a guy’s group, and they’re praying in tongues, and I’m like, but again, I was like, whoa. And you didn’t really hear that at the church. You just didn’t hear that in the main service. In the small group, I did. But this first time, we were praying, and it was, like, so powerful. Where you just feel that, you know, thickness.

I’m like, well, I really trust these guys. They’re really on fire for God. This church, which seems to be super legit, has entrusted these guys to lead this thing. I decide I’m going to give them the benefit of the doubt, and I’m not going to write this off. I’m going to keep coming to this because we prayed for two or three hours, and it felt like 10 minutes.

At the end of that first time, they’re like, “Who hasn’t experienced the baptism of the Holy Spirit? Who hasn’t received the Holy Spirit?” They’re like, “Just pray, ask God to reveal to you what that is, and we can talk about it, but just pray about it first.” So that started me on a pretty aggressive journey regarding the Holy Spirit. What? How am I saved? Are you what? I don’t have the Holy Spirit?

So that was kind of how that started, right? So after not many weeks of that, I ended up bringing my roommate, and I’m praying, like, just all the time. I’m reading, I’m reading through Acts, and there’s a part in Acts where I think Paul’s talking to Peter, and he’s like, Have you received the Holy Spirit? You know, have you received the baptism of the Holy Spirit? They’re like, No, we’ve received the water baptism. We’re not even aware of the baptism of the Holy Spirit, like this is in Acts.

I was like, I haven’t even heard of this. I have received salvation. I’ve received, you know, the salvation of baptism in that context, right? But I haven’t, I didn’t even know there’s a baptism of the Holy Spirit, a baptism of fire, a baptism of water, of the Spirit. So scripturally, that’s the basis there.

I’m praying for it. Oh, my God, like I want it. But this is coming from a prayer place where everything is very neatly packaged in me, and something that must be understandable and logical, right? There is not. It’s pretty airtight. There’s extremely little room for something I can’t understand. So that’s really important to touch on, right? Because so often, for so many, God is confined to what we can understand, and that’s profoundly limiting.

Adam

I like what you said, imprisoned by a little box. Yeah, that’s a great way to put it. But I think that somehow, some way, the box gives us comfort. It gives us control, it reassures us, and it’s tempting in that way.

Jared

Yeah, I think the comfort thing is such a big deal, right? Faith doesn’t really operate within the bounds of comfort, within a comfortable place, right? Faith is really almost only activated in places of discomfort. It’s in a place where you have to trust.

There’s an image that I like to talk about with faith and stepping out. And I think, I think it’s an Indiana Jones, maybe the Holy Grail, there’s a scene in there where there’s, like, this big cliff, it’s a chasm, you know? And he’s following some ancient text that says you’re gonna have to take the step of faith, right? And so he just believes he’s gonna have to step out. But he looks, it looks like you’re gonna fall, but he steps out, and all of a sudden, like it’s an illusion, you know, but if he didn’t step out, he wouldn’t have made it.

He stepped out, and it turns out there’s something to stand on, but he’s like, it looks like he’s hovering over his endless ravine. And that is the point in life when your faith is activated. You can’t see what’s in front of you, but you know you’re called to do it. You know you need to go forward, and you just have to take that jump. But it’s only when you’re in that jump that the faith is activated and the supernatural power starts to flow like crazy. Things will happen.

So, yeah. So, back to the story. So then one day I have a roommate, and my roommate is like, super depressed, super dark, like he wasn’t that way before. And you know, the year before, he’s like, super happy, but something happened. He’s like, really down. I’m like, Hey, bud, you need to come with me to this Bible study. Just come with me. And so he can’t, and I, like, physically picked him up. He didn’t want to, like, you’re coming, so he came with the same group of guys I talked about, right?

So he hears about the Baptism of the Holy Spirit. So then it’s spring break, and a few weeks later. I went to see my girlfriend at the time, who was a few hours away at a different college. I get in my car to drive home, and my roommate calls, and he sounds so happy. And I’m like, wow, you sound good. Like, this sounds different. And, he’s like, I just got baptized in the Holy Spirit.

I was like, happy for him. I was like, You got it before me? And so he’s like, ” I was feeling so heavy, and I went to church, and I went up to the front for prayer, and this older couple prayed over me, and I fell to my knees. I started praying in tongues, and I started prophesying, and I just saw this white light, and I just saw an image of Jesus, and I was completely undone.

I was there a long time. I was overwhelmed by the presence of God. And I told him, “Oh my gosh, I can’t wait to see you and talk about it. I’m so happy for you, you.” So my whole way back to my on-campus apartment, I’m just praying. God, I really want that. Like, whatever that is, I want that. And so I get to the parking lot, and he pulls up at the same time as I pull up. And I said, “What are you doing? You said you were going home.”

He said, “God told me to come back.” We ended up in the parking lot at the same time. It was about midnight, and that was at the beginning of spring break, 2006, and so we went into our apartment, and then from about midnight to 5am, we talked and prayed, and he prayed for me to receive the Baptism of the Holy Spirit. At that time, I had a powerful encounter.

I didn’t fall down, but you know, I just knelt down. I was just blasted with what I would just describe as the liquid love of God. It was bursting out of me. I was drowning in it. It was bursting out of me. It was flowing around me, and it was just a powerful, tangible encounter with the Spirit of God. I couldn’t even speak.

I didn’t speak in tongues. There were no tongues, which confused me later, and so, you know, but I was forever marked and changed the next day, when I got up, I was floating. It was like when I got saved, and then more. I was just like floating when I read the Bible. It was like I was reading it for the first time. Now, granted, by this point, I had read through the whole Bible at least a couple times, because I’m reading it every single day, every single day, since I had been saved, I was reading it.

So at this point, I had read a lot of the Bible, but it was like I was reading it for the first time. Now, I had the Spirit of God inside of me, and the Spirit of God was teaching me while I was reading the Bible, right? So it was like when you pray for wisdom, but it was like the Holy Spirit’s wisdom was present when reading. And now the scripture was like blasting me. It was coming off the page every time. And prayer was so powerful.

Everything was just like supercharged. Put on some worship in my car. I’m like, Oh my gosh, this is different. Before, I only knew that I could experience this at the spirit-filled church. But now it’s like I can experience anywhere. After a week or two, I went and talked to my pastor. I’m like, from what I understand, after the Baptism of the Holy Spirit, you’re supposed to pray in tongues or something. I didn’t get that.

Coming from my past, I would talk about tongues being demonic; perhaps I had a stronghold against that, right? So it was a few more bricks that needed to come down there, but it only took a week or two. He’s like, no, no. You definitely had a very powerful encounter. He said, “That’s certainly the baptism of the Holy Spirit.” Just because you’re not speaking in tongues doesn’t mean that wasn’t that, right?

He said, “Pray, just get with God for a while and pray about that.” So it took me a little time to get used to different worship settings. I think I was in the shower when I first started praying in the Spirit. It’s interesting that I had such a thing built up against it. It was such a thing. And now, you know, obviously, for all these years later, it’s just normal, and then it didn’t take a long time to become normal, maybe just weeks. Then it was like quite flowing, and, you know, so that was that experience there.

But here I am on this very conservative Bible campus, and now I’m a tongue talking, like one of those weird people that I used to judge so hardcore. There weren’t really any of them on the campus at that time. Now I had this fire, and I had a passion, and I had a burden, a holy burden. I was like, for all the students around me, I was like, everyone here speaks Christianese, and they do all the right things, but there’s like, a song, right? Perfect little people, plastic steeple. They don’t know. They could be walking around holding God’s hand, holding Jesus hand, that’s what I felt like.

I started praying, and I had a vision pretty quickly. I’m like, okay, next year, in the school year, I’m gonna have something that we can just pray and ask. We’re not going to have a Bible study, not going to call it a Bible study. I don’t know what we’re going to call it. Maybe we’ll call it a Bible study. Just get people in, I don’t know, but we’ll call it, a prayer meeting, a gathering, and we’re going to invite the Holy Spirit to come. And we’re not going to put a box, no boxes allowed here. We’re just going to be like Holy Spirit, have your way, do whatever you want to do.

That was the summer of 2006, and then in the fall semester, God brought some other people around me. There’s a handful of us that now have a joint vision, and it was that, so in January of 2007, in our apartment on campus, we had our first meeting.

I don’t even call it a meeting. We just had people come over, and we played some worship music and just put on our boombox CD player, because that’s how old we are, right? This is before Bluetooth and streaming everything. We just played that, and I want to say it lasted for like four hours, and we were just praying. We said, God, have your way, and we’re worshiping God.

It was like four hours of just weeping. It’s was so powerful. I don’t know to this day, what was happening. I don’t know if angels are ministering to us. I don’t know. We’re all just getting absolutely wrecked. And there were eight of us. The next week, we do it again. And then within a couple of weeks, maybe a month or so, God would bring someone. So we didn’t have a CD player anymore, someone was playing guitar, and in our little apartment on campus, we had about 55 people coming.

Everyone around us was getting very impacted. So now this is starting to be quite a group, our next-door neighbors, the people across from us, and then we would use their apartments to put our furniture, because you can’t fit 55 people in a college apartment. It’s now standing room only, and God’s presence is just so thick, so heavy that you can’t stand up straight. You’re leaning because it’s so heavy. It was so pure and incredible.

That was the origin of those kinds of nights, and that worship night went on for years and years and years, well over a decade. The administration reached out to us and gave us a room that held 200 people with all the audiovisual equipment that we needed. We had tremendous favor, and hundreds of people were getting baptized in the Holy Spirit.

We would take people in the back and pray over them. Casting out demons. We were seeing healings. People were getting saved every week. It’s powerful, it was a crazy college experience.

We then had a one night a week, we would have prayer night, on Mondays, we would meet. This is separate from the main worship night. So we’re like, we need to have a core group that’s a prayer engine for this. We need leadership, because there are hundreds of people that are confused. They’re experiencing the presence of God for the first time. We need to be able to help disciple and teach them about this.

Then we had a leadership prayer, and as it was growing, we had a secondary group on a second night that was larger. And so the people from the first night, some of them, would specifically be teaching on those nights. We would tell the worship night attendees, “We understand your experience is something that you probably haven’t had before. We have prayer groups, a Bible discipleship night, if you want to join. We want to go deeper with you.”

That was just what the Holy Spirit was leading us to do. It sounds like a now, in retrospect, a pretty solid, church ministry organization. But we were just college students with no grid. And people pastors would come, and they would experience it. They offered us their churches all the time because it was a powerful thing.

It was a wild time. And my time there, directly overseeing it, was a couple of years, and then for a decade after, there are the generations behind us. We always believed it needed to be led by students. But our vision on so many of our prayer nights was just we could see over our university, over our city, just like a pillar, like an outpouring from heaven, a white pillar coming down from heaven, of His presence.

There are so many of us to this day, and this is now 20 years later from the beginning of that journey. Many of us still talk today and a lot of us are doing some really cool, fun things for the kingdom. But our day-to-day in college was not normal. You know, like we had an open-door policy in our apartment.

I remember one week I was so tired, but we would accept anyone who wanted to come and pray, and we never locked our door. I mean, every night that week, from midnight to 5am, we were up praying for people, it was amazing. Is it hard to do that now with kids, right? Ministry was happening nonstop, and it was, it was incredible to this day, it was one of the most powerful worship things I’ve ever experienced anywhere. And it’s also been kind of the foundation

It’s he standard that any of us look for. And we still talk about it now, we’re like, you know, we always kind of measure it back to that. And all of us are different parts of the country and some different parts of the world. And when we talk about it that’s our foundation for ministry anywhere we go.

Many of us have planted churches or other things, are involved in leading churches, or whatever it is, but it’s interesting. College for us was like a 24/7 encounter with God. I’m not to say that it was perfect. There was so much messiness. There’s a lot of messiness, especially in all those years with a bunch of college students. Students who are very spirited, who have a bunch of different backgrounds. It was messy, but it was powerful. It was incredible.

Yeah, that’s the story of the outpouring in our Bible College of the Spirit, and it has forever marked us. And it’s also my journey, as far as going from a Cessationist origin to, I don’t know what anyone describes me now, right? So, a Baptist spirit filled whatever non-denominational, I don’t know.

Adam

I’m happy that God has a way of messing up our theological boxes.

Jared

Well, thank God for that, right? Thank him for that. Thank you. You know, it’s really one time I heard it was such, it’s such a good description of this as a pastor, and he’s like, denomination, like the root definition is division. And I’m not in any way coming against denominations, right? Certainly, certainly. But it’s, you know, it essentially is a dividing up of the church. That’s what the roots of that description are, and that’s interesting, right? We’re called to unify him. My gosh, I have had incredible people in my life, spiritual people who are Catholics. I have incredible spiritual friends who go to Baptist churches, who go, you know, anywhere you know.

Adam

I think every time we divide, we lose. Like the east and west divide, the Jewish and Christian. Every time we divide, we lose a characteristic or a facet of God, because we have so much that we can learn from one another, just by being in relationship. But I think the key is that you were stewarding the presence of God. When you experience the presence of God, it will mess with your theology. I think what we long for is to be loved, to be fully known, to be fully loved, and I think that’s what you were stewarding. I’m curious as to why you think you guys were given that responsibility and that opportunity? Was it hunger? Was it availability? Was there something that you can look back on and say, That’s why that happened?

Jared

I don’t have an answer as to why me and us specifically. Maybe I would just say willingness. I think that’s what happened. I don’t think it’s because of special people. I think it’s what God desires everywhere. And if we can just get out of the way, it was not about us or anything. Wasn’t in a ministry. I was actually just talking with my pastor, the pastor at the church that I go to now, I was telling him that it operated outside of money. That’s another really cool thing that was wild. This whole thing, hundreds of people for years and years, operated with no money.

So I don’t know, it was just pure. It was pure, we never gave it a name, because we didn’t want it to be about anyone’s name or anything. It was just about God. And so it’s a worship night, and it endured for a very long time, and I don’t know how many people it ended up touching. I won’t know that ever, maybe in heaven. I don’t know, but I think it was just that there were people willing, you know, and could get out of the way enough.

So many times, we make ministry about us, and it becomes a perverted thing. And again, this is not judging anyone. Speak from experience, right? A lot of times, ministry is about proving an identity for a lot of people, and that really gets in the way of my ministering, because I’m proving something to myself or to God, which is, it’s funny, and no one says it that way, but that’s really what’s happening, right? So I must do this. I must have, I must be this kind of pastor. I must be an evangelist of this kind. I must, I must be the Prophet, because it’s an identity thing. But there’s a pure way to me, that it’s nothing to do with me. I just want to be a completely emptied out vessel. I just want to, I need to walk in pureness. You know, I need to walk in purity so that there’s nothing in the way.

She’s a controversial figure, but I read so much of what she had. Kathryn Kuhlman, had a crazy ministry she saw in the last century, probably more miracles and manifestations than anyone on Earth. Her stance was so humble and incredible. I want to give an example of her life. I read a book about her, and she had studios in LA, she had studios in one of the towers, like a studio tower, for ABC or whatever, one of those. And the people, the news anchors, the lost people, were interviewed later, they said we always knew when she was in the building, you could feel it when she’s in the building. That’s the presence that she walked in, right?

Someone asked her a similar question about what you just asked, and she’s just like, I have nothing. I’m just an empty vessel, I don’t know anything, I am just an empty, broken vessel, you know? And I was like, that really ministered to me. This is after the fact when I read that. But I was like, Oh, that’s a good summary. I just think we tried our best to get out of the way. I think that was the key.

The Bible says that when you gather for His purpose, when you gather for Him, in unity, he is there, and in unity, the anointing flows like Aaron’s beard. We really sought unity, which seeking Him in a unified way produces great unity. The larger the group, and the more unified it is, the more difficult it is to maintain unity. But there is a brotherly love. And it’s interesting, because the Bible says that you will know them. I didn’t say you know them by their miracles.

These are those that belong to God. You’ll know them by the love they have for one another. And part of the story was this group of people. So there are hundreds on this one night, but there’s a core of like 30 people, 50 people that are trying to steward this together. I remember I would call restaurants. I was like, “Do you have seating for 36 people?” We would just go places, and then the waitresses are getting saved everywhere we went, it was nuts.

We would have a caravan to church on Sundays, like eight or 10 cars, you know, going, and then we’d all go out to eat afterwards. I called many restaurants. You can’t show up with 30 or 40 people and expect to all eat at the same time, right? So it was funny. There were many times we fasted together, 40 people fasting together for three days. It was powerful. And then we’d all go to an IHOP or a Denny’s or something afterwards and devour whatever. It was powerful.

But that love, I mean, everyone felt loved, and we had a birthday celebrations all the time. It honestly, it really was annoying to me. I was like, Oh my gosh another birthday. But at the same time, there are a lot of people who, maybe in their lives, have never felt celebrated, you know. And it was like, you know, as that was another marker of this. It was like there was a tangible love everyone had for another in this wonderful community. Again, it was messy at times, very messy, you know, but it was good and awesome.

Adam

Do you have one specific individual or one specific story that is a highlight from that season? I know that’s maybe a difficult question, but that maybe points the picture of points, or paints the picture of your time there.

Jared

I don’t know. There’s like a bajillion. This one incident was not necessarily my absolute favorite but he’s actually a very good friend. I was at his wedding. He’s been in my wedding all these years later, a great friend of mine. He came to a worship night, and he got saved, and no one talked to him.

I love that. He became a drum player for us on the worship nights. But he came in, he told me, “I just walked in, and I think I encountered God for the first time in my life. I encountered his presence, and I gave my life to him in that moment.” This is just during worship. It’s not even during, we weren’t even giving messages. We gave a little word at the end, whatever the Holy Spirit was sharing at the end, we would share to tie up the night, 5 or 10 minutes, 15 at most, and praying at the end. There’s no messages. Not on those nights. It was just worship.

We’re just hosting the presence of God and inviting him, and we’re waiting on the Lord. So this guy comes, it wasn’t about a person no one ministered to him. The Holy Spirit ministered to him. But it wasn’t about a single person or a teaching. He encountered the tangible presence of God and gave his life to Jesus in that moment. I know that happened a lot of times on those nights. And so I just think that’s, I love that.

Church is not church without the presence of God. And a lot of churches are absent the presence of God. I’m not trying to judge, but it’s just that’s essentially a building. You have a nonprofit entity in America tied to it. They’re full of really good people who want God, right? So, all of us need to ask ourselves, who are on this path, on this faith journey. Are you experiencing the presence of God? If you’re not, you need to ask why.

That’s a very scary place. One of the most sobering scriptures to me is a Jesus saying, there’ll be people that cast out demons, that saw healings, those who were doing things in my name, but I’m going to say to them, Depart from me. I never knew you. That is profoundly sobering to me.

There are a lot of Christians who think that they are Christians who do not know God. And what’s extra sobering to me, especially in the Bible Belt, is that he’s talking about in that scripture, he’s talking about people who looked really like disciples of God. They’re performing miracles.

Then there are people who shun all those things, who show up to a dead place once a week and feel good about themselves. And I’m terrified for those people. This is a holy-like fear. I mean, how tragic. My heart is that everyone encounters the full power of God, the presence of God, the relationship of God the fullness of Him.

If you’re in a place where you’ve never felt that, or you don’t feel that, you need to really get with God and be like God, where do you want me to be? There’s so much more for you and God doesn’t want that for you.

Now that’s not to say if you’re full of the Spirit, and maybe he sends you to one of those places. You’re probably not going to be liked honestly, and you may not even see the fruit but you might plant some crazy seeds that allow that to happen, and it’ll happen 10 years after you leave, maybe five years after. Eternal seeds that are sown are eternal.

Work in the spirit realm is not bound to time. So I’ve been to places in the world that once were powerful churches that no longer are churches, but I’ve prayed there, and the presence is so strong. It’s not a Christian site anymore, but there was centuries of prayer there. There’s like a pathway there, like there’s something spiritual that’s happened, that’s eternal in that spot.

My encouragement if you feel like you’re in a dead church, and you’re called to be there, and you’re called by the Spirit like you’re sowing seeds, don’t be discouraged because you never know when those are going to start sprouting and things transform. God doesn’t just want to wipe out the churches that are not walking in His fullness, right? He would desire that all churches be full of him. That’s the truth, you know. And again, it’s not judgment. We’re all broken. We’re all messy, broken people doing the best we can do. We’re all full of fears and shame sometimes, and all kinds of things. But it just takes an encounter with him, you know, and all that changes, and then a continual encounter. The world’s a messy place. We get rained on, we get wet when it rains, and we get dirty when the dust blows on us, it’s a relationship that’s every day. So I’ll stop preaching. I’m in this preaching mode now.

Adam

No, that’s great.

I was thinking, how we were gonna wrap this up? And I don’t know if I got distracted or what, but I had that Indiana Jones scene on my mind. I remember watching that as a kid, the one where he does the step of faith. I think he is after the Holy Grail.

He steps out, and when he steps on to it, he sees that it’s a bridge, and at some point he throws rocks, stones on it. I was thinking about stones of remembrance and the cornerstone. I was thinking, how does that relate to this, and what are you wanting to say through this?

When you take that first step, it’s terrifying, but you step out, and you realize, wow, God’s there. This is real, like God is real, the relationship is real, whatever it is that he reveals to you in that step of faith. And then you can look back on that. The Israelites, when they crossed over the Jordan, God asked them to stack up stones, stones of remembrance, to remember what He had done. So you remember the testimony, remember what God has done, because we forget.

We’ll face another point of inflection, and we’ll have to take another step of faith, but we’ve got to remember what happened back there to give us the courage to make that next step. I just feel like your story, and my hope for your story, is that people will see that God is faithful and that there is more. So if somebody is in this box, this tiny little box. It’s terrifying to step out of that box. Their whole community and worldview is in that tiny little box.

I want you to pray, but I also just, my hope is that they would have the confidence through your testimony, through your story, that it’s worth taking that step of faith, that it’s freedom, and it’s what you actually have been seeking. It actually does satiate that hunger that you have. You have a hunger, that’s why you’re in that community, that’s why you’re seeking the Lord, that’s why you’re reading your Bible, that’s why you’re doing all those religious things. It’s just you’ve got to, I think, there’s a component of letting go of accepting we don’t have all the answers, stewards of the mysteries of God, that there is a mystery to this whole thing.

But love and receiving His love, is on the other side of taking that step of faith. So maybe I’m preaching now.

Jared

It’s flying out of both of us, right? And that’s a good place, yeah.

Adam

Just that Indiana Jones scene is a really strong picture for me.

Jared

So I’ve had to, I mean, I’ve had to activate that many times in my life, right? Like, it’s one of the most vivid pictures, and it’s in filmography. And you know that it happens right from Hollywood, of all places. I don’t have a better visualization for what it’s like to step out in faith.

Adam

I would love for you to just pray to close this out. And I, I do hope that this will reach somebody that’s in that I’ve been in a religious environment, and I wouldn’t wish that for anyone. And I would, I want you to hopefully pray for that, for that person.

Jared

Even if one person gets impacted by stepping into the fullness of God from this, that’s powerful.

God I just want to thank you so much. We thank you for your love for us, God. I thank you that you are not okay with us staying in religious boxes, God and you as a perfect and loving Father, are relentlessly seeking us out. You are relentlessly knocking, you’re relentlessly pursuing us, God, and so for all of us that are anyone listening to this, all of us collected, we’re brothers and sisters in Christ, right? If you’re listening to this, you’re almost certainly a brother and sister in Christ, and if not, here’s your moment.

If you’re listening to this, you’re likely being tugged on by the Holy Spirit, and you’re likely feeling him invading your heart. If you don’t know Jesus, this is the time to say, Yes, I don’t just want to know you from a book. I just want to know you through a story. I want to know you know you, and he wants that even more. So all you have to do is say yes.

For those who know Jesus, but I just feel like I’m in chains. I feel like I’m in a box or I’m in a prison. I feel like I’m powerless. I feel like I’m whatever it is, Holy Spirit. I just ask that you would just fall on those people now, that those individuals, these brothers and sisters, would receive a fresh, a new outpouring of you, God, of your spirit, of your tangible spirit. They would be absolutely blasted by you and just overwhelmed and overcome by you, God.

That this would be a marked place in their journey, in their walk, in their lives. That’s a monument, you know, maybe this would be a monument, a stone that forever is built upon by where things got tangible. Things got real. God, I just pray for an explosion of the Spirit in everyone’s lives. This is a fresh falling, a fresh baptism of your Spirit to all those who want it right now.

God, we thank you. We love you. God, we desire to be stirred with a hunger. God, that we would burn, that we would burn with a holy fire and a hunger and a thirst for you. God, the world is scary. The world is unpredictable, and you. You are the only thing that is constant. You are the only one who is true and constant, God. And we thank you for choosing to live with us. You abide in us, and us in you God.

We thank you that you have given us the Holy Spirit. Jesus had to leave so that the Spirit could remain, and the Spirit could be with us. And so we thank you for that, God. We love you, praise and I bless everyone God that they would just receive just a new revelation of your love today. We just love You and praise You, God, in Jesus name, amen.

Adam

Amazing. Thank you, sir. Well, that was fun.

Jared

That was fun. It was great. It’s a fun story. Yeah, that was awesome. I got ministered too, as I was listening to it come out of my mouth.

Adam

That’s a success. All right. All right. I love you guys. Thanks for listening.

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